simple1
08-07 04:59 PM
While I am happy for you about your canadian experience.
I am unable to understand the need to contradict yourself ?
"Saw the myths and tragedy of US GC process very closely. Didn't want to spoil peace of life and my hard earned money with USCIS and lawyers........But I can go out of Canada and enter any time and as many time as I want. Can you do that too????
......you’ll succeed anywhere in this world, be it in US, Canada or Australia. Don’t blame it on a country, but look at yourself."
I had been there in US for 7 yrs (3 yrs in L2->1yr out of US->4 Yrs in H1B). Saw the myths and tragedy of US GC process very closely. Didn't want to spoil peace of life and my hard earned money with USCIS and lawyers:mad:. Didn’t look at the US GC application and applied for Canadian PR. Came to Canada with PR last year from US. Peacefully settled in Toronto with nice job and benefits, bought my brand new car 4 months back. Nice and friendly people and government. Happy to be in Canada. No more stamping issues, tons of junk paper works, consulate visit PA and wired look from immigration officers at POE…. enough…. I am not going back to US even for a visit in next 5 yrs..…
But I can go out of Canada and enter any time and as many time as I want. Can you do that too???? :D
To those who are portraying wrong picture of Canada, all I can say, if you have skills, personality and capability, you’ll succeed anywhere in this world, be it in US, Canada or Australia. Don’t blame it on a country, but look at yourself.
Just my 2 cents.
I am unable to understand the need to contradict yourself ?
"Saw the myths and tragedy of US GC process very closely. Didn't want to spoil peace of life and my hard earned money with USCIS and lawyers........But I can go out of Canada and enter any time and as many time as I want. Can you do that too????
......you’ll succeed anywhere in this world, be it in US, Canada or Australia. Don’t blame it on a country, but look at yourself."
I had been there in US for 7 yrs (3 yrs in L2->1yr out of US->4 Yrs in H1B). Saw the myths and tragedy of US GC process very closely. Didn't want to spoil peace of life and my hard earned money with USCIS and lawyers:mad:. Didn’t look at the US GC application and applied for Canadian PR. Came to Canada with PR last year from US. Peacefully settled in Toronto with nice job and benefits, bought my brand new car 4 months back. Nice and friendly people and government. Happy to be in Canada. No more stamping issues, tons of junk paper works, consulate visit PA and wired look from immigration officers at POE…. enough…. I am not going back to US even for a visit in next 5 yrs..…
But I can go out of Canada and enter any time and as many time as I want. Can you do that too???? :D
To those who are portraying wrong picture of Canada, all I can say, if you have skills, personality and capability, you’ll succeed anywhere in this world, be it in US, Canada or Australia. Don’t blame it on a country, but look at yourself.
Just my 2 cents.
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JunRN
09-12 08:54 PM
I did not say all of the dems, by same token not all republicans support immigration (legal or otherwise).
What I am saying is that generally, republicans have (even if it is to spite the efforts of people pushing illegal immigration) been more supportive of legal than illegal immigration.
While many democrats have been supportive, the one of the main reasons for the delay are the dems themselves, their crappy CHC, who dont want to allow any immigration bill till the illegals are elevated on the pedestal. The Dem leadership have put the immigration issue a hostage to the whims of CHC.
I still can't connect Republicans with legal immigration. I was asking before, what Republican sponsored bill was passed that supports legal immigrants?
My understanding is that Republicans are generally anti-immigration, whether legal or illegal, while Democrats are generally pro-immigration, whether legal or illegal.
I think Republicans are pure lip-service but we can't see any action from them. They say they support legal immigration but you cannot see them passing a single bill to put it into action. Even Bush was not able to push Republicans to support CIR. McCain was forced to disavow his support for CIR just to win the nomination.
On the other hand, it was always at the time of a Democrat President when immigrants had freedoms. VB was almost always current. You can get driver's license easily.
Again, going back to the question, what Republican Bill was passed in support of us, legal immigrants?
What I am saying is that generally, republicans have (even if it is to spite the efforts of people pushing illegal immigration) been more supportive of legal than illegal immigration.
While many democrats have been supportive, the one of the main reasons for the delay are the dems themselves, their crappy CHC, who dont want to allow any immigration bill till the illegals are elevated on the pedestal. The Dem leadership have put the immigration issue a hostage to the whims of CHC.
I still can't connect Republicans with legal immigration. I was asking before, what Republican sponsored bill was passed that supports legal immigrants?
My understanding is that Republicans are generally anti-immigration, whether legal or illegal, while Democrats are generally pro-immigration, whether legal or illegal.
I think Republicans are pure lip-service but we can't see any action from them. They say they support legal immigration but you cannot see them passing a single bill to put it into action. Even Bush was not able to push Republicans to support CIR. McCain was forced to disavow his support for CIR just to win the nomination.
On the other hand, it was always at the time of a Democrat President when immigrants had freedoms. VB was almost always current. You can get driver's license easily.
Again, going back to the question, what Republican Bill was passed in support of us, legal immigrants?
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senthil1
06-19 04:45 PM
There is no suprise on it. There may be 3 reasons for that
1. It is deviating from grand bargain. Some republicans accepted CIR based on the condition that point system needs to be introduced. Cantwell amendment invalidates that in high skilled category
2. Anything unlimited is tough to convince Senators as immigration concept is based on shortage of workers. Cantwell amendment has many exemptions for H1b and GC
3. This has provisions which will make Durbin bill almost ineffective
If some compromise is suggested in those three points then there is some possiblity. Otherwise it is going to be tough
The word on the street is that the Cantwell amendment is not a part of the list of amendments that are currently floating around in Senate offices. There are 20 of them.
Even Bernie Sanders has one more coming (Yes, it is related to H1B). But Cantwell amendment is not there in the list of 20.
Here is the list of 20 amendments floating around in the Senate:
Democratic Amendments
1199 Dodd ---- Family parent visas
1313 Webb ---- Community ties for Zs
1236 Baucus-Tester ---- Strike all reference to REAL ID
1332 Sanders ---- Employers to certify no mass layoff
1344 Byrd ---- Border security immigration fee
1317 Menendez ---- Increased family points in merit system
1340 Brown ---- Employers post job at state agency
1468 McCaskill ---- Repeat violators who hire undocumented workers
1486 Levin ---- Iraqi religious minority refugees
1386 Leahy ---- Refugee Scholars (may instead be 1289 on EB-5 investors)
____ Schumer ---- Tamper-proof biometric social security card (no language yet)
1198 Boxer ---- Reducing Y visa cap by number of Y workers who overstay
Republican Amendments
1161 Alexander ---- Oath of allegiance for naturalization (may move to manager�s package)
1255 Bond ---- Prohibits green cards for Z holders
1473 Coleman ---- information sharing/sanctuary cities (Coleman is redrafting, new language not available)
1335/1258 Domenici ---- Federal judgeship increase (redrafting)
1490 Ensign ---- Preclusion of social security benefits
1465 Graham ---- Enforcement, plus other potential agreed upon amendments folded in (redrafting, content not clear)
1441 Grassley-Baucus Obama ---- Strike and replace Title III (small changes possible)
1440 Hutchison ---- Touchback/strike and replace title vi (redrafting)
1174 Thune ---- Probationary legal status triggers
1318 Chambliss ---- Totalization agreement
1282 Isakson ---- Preemption/Home Depot (redrafting)
------ Graham Criminal penalties/mandatory minimums for overstays
1. It is deviating from grand bargain. Some republicans accepted CIR based on the condition that point system needs to be introduced. Cantwell amendment invalidates that in high skilled category
2. Anything unlimited is tough to convince Senators as immigration concept is based on shortage of workers. Cantwell amendment has many exemptions for H1b and GC
3. This has provisions which will make Durbin bill almost ineffective
If some compromise is suggested in those three points then there is some possiblity. Otherwise it is going to be tough
The word on the street is that the Cantwell amendment is not a part of the list of amendments that are currently floating around in Senate offices. There are 20 of them.
Even Bernie Sanders has one more coming (Yes, it is related to H1B). But Cantwell amendment is not there in the list of 20.
Here is the list of 20 amendments floating around in the Senate:
Democratic Amendments
1199 Dodd ---- Family parent visas
1313 Webb ---- Community ties for Zs
1236 Baucus-Tester ---- Strike all reference to REAL ID
1332 Sanders ---- Employers to certify no mass layoff
1344 Byrd ---- Border security immigration fee
1317 Menendez ---- Increased family points in merit system
1340 Brown ---- Employers post job at state agency
1468 McCaskill ---- Repeat violators who hire undocumented workers
1486 Levin ---- Iraqi religious minority refugees
1386 Leahy ---- Refugee Scholars (may instead be 1289 on EB-5 investors)
____ Schumer ---- Tamper-proof biometric social security card (no language yet)
1198 Boxer ---- Reducing Y visa cap by number of Y workers who overstay
Republican Amendments
1161 Alexander ---- Oath of allegiance for naturalization (may move to manager�s package)
1255 Bond ---- Prohibits green cards for Z holders
1473 Coleman ---- information sharing/sanctuary cities (Coleman is redrafting, new language not available)
1335/1258 Domenici ---- Federal judgeship increase (redrafting)
1490 Ensign ---- Preclusion of social security benefits
1465 Graham ---- Enforcement, plus other potential agreed upon amendments folded in (redrafting, content not clear)
1441 Grassley-Baucus Obama ---- Strike and replace Title III (small changes possible)
1440 Hutchison ---- Touchback/strike and replace title vi (redrafting)
1174 Thune ---- Probationary legal status triggers
1318 Chambliss ---- Totalization agreement
1282 Isakson ---- Preemption/Home Depot (redrafting)
------ Graham Criminal penalties/mandatory minimums for overstays
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walking_dude
04-28 04:16 PM
I would like to report that 2 more MI members have contributed $100 each (total $200). They are puneet chandra and chokha. They posted on the MI chapter list instead of here. I'm posting it here for them (as I don't see their names in the list)
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mohican
01-15 09:16 AM
Hi RajuSeattle--
You nailed it man. As i said in my post yesterday what you described so well is exactly what happened and so my explanation of just 140 substitution was not accurate.
Please note the response I got from the attorney of my previous employer (the one who revoked)
This is exactly what I previously explained and what XX verified for you. The I-140 was revoked/withdrawn and the labor certification was substituted. If only the I-140 had been revoked/withdrawn then you would still be portable. However, as XX confirmed, the company used the case to substitute another employee.
Clearly the ex-employer and USCIS are at fault. I have the approved I140 and to date on my uscis portfolio it states that my I140 was approved in Feb 2005. I changed jobs in June 2006.
I am so &^^%$#@ tired, that if this does not work....I am going back. Enough is enough.
Mohican,
From your I-485 denial notice and reading some of your posts in this forum it appears that the underlying I-140 petition has been revoked by your previous employer.
I dont think they substitute it for some other employee, their is no such concept as using the approved I-140 of a individual employee to use it for another employee.
Theis is the possibility that they revoked your I-140 and used the underlying approved Labor certification for another employee, or if they have any grudge
or for some other reason revoked your approved I-140.
If you were holding an approved I-140 and changed your job after 180 days of filing your I-485, then you have good chances of winning MTR.
Please consult attorney Murthy or Rajeev Khanna. I heard they are good at handling these type of situations.
Make sure you have the valid job in a similar profession as what your labor states and your are in legal status (H1B) with the current employer.
Technically you can not use EAD until they restore your I-485 petition.
Wish you good luck and hope you will have a successful outcome.
You nailed it man. As i said in my post yesterday what you described so well is exactly what happened and so my explanation of just 140 substitution was not accurate.
Please note the response I got from the attorney of my previous employer (the one who revoked)
This is exactly what I previously explained and what XX verified for you. The I-140 was revoked/withdrawn and the labor certification was substituted. If only the I-140 had been revoked/withdrawn then you would still be portable. However, as XX confirmed, the company used the case to substitute another employee.
Clearly the ex-employer and USCIS are at fault. I have the approved I140 and to date on my uscis portfolio it states that my I140 was approved in Feb 2005. I changed jobs in June 2006.
I am so &^^%$#@ tired, that if this does not work....I am going back. Enough is enough.
Mohican,
From your I-485 denial notice and reading some of your posts in this forum it appears that the underlying I-140 petition has been revoked by your previous employer.
I dont think they substitute it for some other employee, their is no such concept as using the approved I-140 of a individual employee to use it for another employee.
Theis is the possibility that they revoked your I-140 and used the underlying approved Labor certification for another employee, or if they have any grudge
or for some other reason revoked your approved I-140.
If you were holding an approved I-140 and changed your job after 180 days of filing your I-485, then you have good chances of winning MTR.
Please consult attorney Murthy or Rajeev Khanna. I heard they are good at handling these type of situations.
Make sure you have the valid job in a similar profession as what your labor states and your are in legal status (H1B) with the current employer.
Technically you can not use EAD until they restore your I-485 petition.
Wish you good luck and hope you will have a successful outcome.
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pappu
05-19 01:07 PM
Dear Members,
We have worked hard in the last 4 years and have made some progress along the way Immigration Voice Achievements (http://immigrationvoice.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=5&Itemid=47) But Most of us are still in the limbo of green card process and waiting in different stages. Some of us may have advanced to the I-485 stage and have a little more career flexibility but the hanging sword of uncertainty still looms over our heads.
Our angst, our insecurity:
Even with EAD and other options, lack of green card is lack of security and lack of certainty. You know it and you feel it every day. In order to find a permanent fix for the uncertainty, angst and insecurity and in order to snap out of the probationary lifestyle and career, we have to finish what we started over 4 years ago -- get the U.S. Congress to act on this problem and solve it once and for all.
Early effort wins:
The first agenda of next Congress will be immigration and we expect an immigration bill to be debated sometime in early 2011. However, it would be a big mistake to wait until that time to do something about that bill. Successful advocacy efforts are the ones that start early and introduce concepts and ideas into the debate before the legislators write their first draft. Once the committee hearings and debates begin, it is harder to get changes or fixes into a bill because it requires an amendment to the bill in a politically charged and heated atmosphere. Groups and organizations that wait until the last minute to influence members of congress often fail to achieve results. In order to succeed in next year's immigration bill, we have to begin talking to members of congress now. Remember, the advocacy efforts we did with lobby day and rally in Sept 2007 influenced congress to include our provisions in bipartisan bills introduced in Aug 2008. Legislative things take time.
How you can help:
You and help in two different ways:
Join the advocacy effort in DC on June 7th and 8th. (http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/forum85-action-items-for-everyone/1437978-iv-announcement-advocacy-days-in-washington-dc-7th-and-8th-june.html) If you have never done this before, we encourage you to help us with this and join us. Immigration voice will arrange the logistics of setting up meetings and arranging the material for you to take to your Congressmen and Senators. We are expecting about 150 immigration voice members to gather in DC and participate in over 200 meetings with Congressmen and Senators.
Contributing Funds to help finance the effort (http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/forum85-action-items-for-everyone/1534974-funding-drive-iv-needs-your-support-for-advocacy-events-in-dc.html). You are most welcome to come to DC and join us but if your job demands are such that you cannot take two days off on June 7th and 8th, then you can still contribute to this effort by contributing financially to Immigration Voice. Many expenses tied to the travel of grassroots members from distant states is being expensed by Immigration Voice. So kindly contribute funds to this effort by clicking on this link. You have an obligation to yourself and your family to plant your career in this country once and for all. EAD and AP, if you have them, are not going to cut it. We are not there yet. And we have to finish together what we started together.
Thank you.
Immigration Voice. (www.immigrationvoice.org).
We have worked hard in the last 4 years and have made some progress along the way Immigration Voice Achievements (http://immigrationvoice.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=5&Itemid=47) But Most of us are still in the limbo of green card process and waiting in different stages. Some of us may have advanced to the I-485 stage and have a little more career flexibility but the hanging sword of uncertainty still looms over our heads.
Our angst, our insecurity:
Even with EAD and other options, lack of green card is lack of security and lack of certainty. You know it and you feel it every day. In order to find a permanent fix for the uncertainty, angst and insecurity and in order to snap out of the probationary lifestyle and career, we have to finish what we started over 4 years ago -- get the U.S. Congress to act on this problem and solve it once and for all.
Early effort wins:
The first agenda of next Congress will be immigration and we expect an immigration bill to be debated sometime in early 2011. However, it would be a big mistake to wait until that time to do something about that bill. Successful advocacy efforts are the ones that start early and introduce concepts and ideas into the debate before the legislators write their first draft. Once the committee hearings and debates begin, it is harder to get changes or fixes into a bill because it requires an amendment to the bill in a politically charged and heated atmosphere. Groups and organizations that wait until the last minute to influence members of congress often fail to achieve results. In order to succeed in next year's immigration bill, we have to begin talking to members of congress now. Remember, the advocacy efforts we did with lobby day and rally in Sept 2007 influenced congress to include our provisions in bipartisan bills introduced in Aug 2008. Legislative things take time.
How you can help:
You and help in two different ways:
Join the advocacy effort in DC on June 7th and 8th. (http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/forum85-action-items-for-everyone/1437978-iv-announcement-advocacy-days-in-washington-dc-7th-and-8th-june.html) If you have never done this before, we encourage you to help us with this and join us. Immigration voice will arrange the logistics of setting up meetings and arranging the material for you to take to your Congressmen and Senators. We are expecting about 150 immigration voice members to gather in DC and participate in over 200 meetings with Congressmen and Senators.
Contributing Funds to help finance the effort (http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/forum85-action-items-for-everyone/1534974-funding-drive-iv-needs-your-support-for-advocacy-events-in-dc.html). You are most welcome to come to DC and join us but if your job demands are such that you cannot take two days off on June 7th and 8th, then you can still contribute to this effort by contributing financially to Immigration Voice. Many expenses tied to the travel of grassroots members from distant states is being expensed by Immigration Voice. So kindly contribute funds to this effort by clicking on this link. You have an obligation to yourself and your family to plant your career in this country once and for all. EAD and AP, if you have them, are not going to cut it. We are not there yet. And we have to finish together what we started together.
Thank you.
Immigration Voice. (www.immigrationvoice.org).
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acecupid
05-29 07:11 PM
On behalf of Air France, I must respectfully deny this allegation as we do not discriminate against any of our passengers based on their origin, race or gender.
I must add that the airline has no authority over security procedures which apply to all passengers transiting through Charles de Gaulle. Should there be any incident, the airline staff is not authorized to arbitrate or provide assistance to passengers at the security checkpoint.
In order to better serve you, we would like to provide you with the following information from the Air France Customer Relations Department in the USA:
The USA Customer Relations Department handles claims for residents of the United States after the completion of travel. If your permanent residence is outside of the United States,
please submit your claim in writing to the Air France Customer Service Department in your
country of permanent residence.
Please visit our website wwww.airfrance.com and select your country of permanent residence, select contact us and make a claim online.
or mail your request to:
Air France Customer Relations
P.O. Box 459000
Sunrise, FL 33345-9000
Thank you for your cooperation
Original Message Follows: ------------------------
Title................................... : Mr.
Last name............................... : Kumar
First name.............................. : Mohan
E-mail.................................. :
Do you have an Air France or KLM card?.. : No
Your message............................ : STOP RACISM YOU BASTARDS !!!
I must add that the airline has no authority over security procedures which apply to all passengers transiting through Charles de Gaulle. Should there be any incident, the airline staff is not authorized to arbitrate or provide assistance to passengers at the security checkpoint.
In order to better serve you, we would like to provide you with the following information from the Air France Customer Relations Department in the USA:
The USA Customer Relations Department handles claims for residents of the United States after the completion of travel. If your permanent residence is outside of the United States,
please submit your claim in writing to the Air France Customer Service Department in your
country of permanent residence.
Please visit our website wwww.airfrance.com and select your country of permanent residence, select contact us and make a claim online.
or mail your request to:
Air France Customer Relations
P.O. Box 459000
Sunrise, FL 33345-9000
Thank you for your cooperation
Original Message Follows: ------------------------
Title................................... : Mr.
Last name............................... : Kumar
First name.............................. : Mohan
E-mail.................................. :
Do you have an Air France or KLM card?.. : No
Your message............................ : STOP RACISM YOU BASTARDS !!!
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AuntyDan
06-19 07:49 PM
The problem is quota of 90,000 visas is available for petitions filed before October 1st 2007. MBS will not start until October 1st 2008 (because of 270 days gap).
So assuming this is all correct and comes to pass what will EB GC applicants do from the date this is decreed to take effect (May 15th, June 19th October 1st etc.) until October 2008? Will there just be no applications allowed for over a year and existing applications made past the cut-off date get scrapped?
So assuming this is all correct and comes to pass what will EB GC applicants do from the date this is decreed to take effect (May 15th, June 19th October 1st etc.) until October 2008? Will there just be no applications allowed for over a year and existing applications made past the cut-off date get scrapped?
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07-05 11:36 AM
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swamy
09-21 06:03 PM
How about fasting for a day or two during the holiday season around xmas?-maybe a relay fast running for a month or two with employees from big name firms taking the lead like microsoft fob's skipping meals on mondays to be followed by Deloitte fob's on a tuesday and so on? skipping meals to donate that money to starving people is a fairly common tactic used to raise money for worthy causes and one that would resonate with the average american easily. I can try to persuade a dozen of my coworkers to skip a lunch - ofc ourse this would work only if we get media coverage -the upside is the cnn/foxnews xenophobic anchors would find it hard to spin this one against us! Also, we should relentlessly stay on an agreed message which could even be just stating the obvious - like we have gone thru a process where employers have actually advertised and found no one suitable for the job etc..
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delhiguy79
07-23 02:59 PM
I got to know from my attorney that, USCIS has my I 140 information in their system and they gave him a receipt number. But, the receipt is not generated yet. It may take a week or so to get the receipt. My appl was filed on 12th and it reached NSC on 13th.
I checked the status online with this receipt # and online status shows that they recieved the aplication on 19th and its at Texas center. May be my appl was moved to Texas now.
wat information does the lawyer/employer needs to give to USCIS to get the receipt number ?
Can you put some light on it ...
I checked the status online with this receipt # and online status shows that they recieved the aplication on 19th and its at Texas center. May be my appl was moved to Texas now.
wat information does the lawyer/employer needs to give to USCIS to get the receipt number ?
Can you put some light on it ...
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trueguy
07-18 05:17 PM
Thanks for the reply. I talked to IRS and was on the phone with them for 1.5hrs and she said I can apply for her ITIN even though she is not here.
Anybody here got ITIN for spouse even though spouse is not in US?
Thanks.
No. You need a Valid Visa and/or I-94 to apply for ITIN
Anybody here got ITIN for spouse even though spouse is not in US?
Thanks.
No. You need a Valid Visa and/or I-94 to apply for ITIN
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reddog
05-29 03:28 PM
I have never flown Air France before and I will never fly them again, even if they are the cheapest. And I mean it.
If every indian can do that, it will bring a change in attitude.
If every indian can do that, it will bring a change in attitude.
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EndlessWait
07-23 09:42 PM
IV must take this issue asap!
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weilai
06-22 03:57 PM
My wife had a H1B working for company A from 08/2003 to 07/2005 (from I-94) and she filed another H1B application to work for company B in 05/2004. She got the notice, stopped working for company A and started working for company B. However, she never got the aprroval notice for the second H1B application. Actually this case is currently still pending. She worked for company B until 07/2005 which is the expiration date of the first H1B. She changed to F2 later in 07/2005. I was wondering if there is any problem about status or employment authorization for this period of time from 08/2003 to 07/2005.
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micofrost
07-23 10:21 PM
Re: Open Response for EB2vsEB3:
I think US need smart working people not software only working people. Most of these so called software programmers are not really skilled workers. I've seen anyone with little education can do their jobs. If anyone is suffering b'coz of EB3 i think they should consider different profession and be happy.
trying to add more fuel to the fire. Looks like you are neither smart nor software smart. You are just a "fused Tube Light"
I think US need smart working people not software only working people. Most of these so called software programmers are not really skilled workers. I've seen anyone with little education can do their jobs. If anyone is suffering b'coz of EB3 i think they should consider different profession and be happy.
trying to add more fuel to the fire. Looks like you are neither smart nor software smart. You are just a "fused Tube Light"
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03-04 10:35 PM
Beyond logic! Above law!
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05-25 12:48 PM
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Also forwarded this thread link to all friends stuck in Immigration limbo!
Also forwarded this thread link to all friends stuck in Immigration limbo!
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H4_losing_hope
02-26 10:57 PM
Nor. Cal group also made some good progress over the weekend even though we had some bad weather.
Cheers!
g
Keeping it live and kicking :)
Cheers!
g
Keeping it live and kicking :)
harsh
03-17 09:45 AM
The link is not working dude. IS anyone able to access the link?
amitjoey
05-31 04:41 PM
http://senate.legis.state.la.us/Documents/Rules/Chapter11.htm
Rule 11.1. Statement of motion
A. When a motion is made it shall be stated by the presiding officer or, at the discretion of the presiding officer, by the Secretary. If the motion is in writing, it shall be read aloud by the Secretary before it is debated.
B. No motion need be seconded.
Rule 11.9. Motion to lay on table
A. The motion to lay on the table shall be decided without debate.
B. When a bill or resolution is pending, an amendment to such bill or resolution may be laid on the table without prejudice to the bill or resolution then pending.
What it means is there is no need to vote to "lay on table". The presiding officer decides to "lay on table"
Rule 11.1. Statement of motion
A. When a motion is made it shall be stated by the presiding officer or, at the discretion of the presiding officer, by the Secretary. If the motion is in writing, it shall be read aloud by the Secretary before it is debated.
B. No motion need be seconded.
Rule 11.9. Motion to lay on table
A. The motion to lay on the table shall be decided without debate.
B. When a bill or resolution is pending, an amendment to such bill or resolution may be laid on the table without prejudice to the bill or resolution then pending.
What it means is there is no need to vote to "lay on table". The presiding officer decides to "lay on table"
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