Dhundhun
06-29 02:59 AM
I and my wife got our approved EADs in our hand in 17 days (Mailing day to USCIS to recevied date by us). Only strange thing is that my EAD is valid from 06/2008 to 06/2009. I thought the new EADs validity would begin when the existing expires. My existing EAD expires on 09/19/2008. I lost 3 months with this renewal.
USCIS has been unfair in renewing EAD.
What about writing a letter to them? - by grace of God, if they do realize, they may give properly - for 2 years.
Nothing wrong in trying.
USCIS has been unfair in renewing EAD.
What about writing a letter to them? - by grace of God, if they do realize, they may give properly - for 2 years.
Nothing wrong in trying.
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rksaigal
09-29 01:23 PM
In 2001 when I travelled to India, I paid 1200 to fly NWA. I paid 1000$ in 2008 on Asiana. Very good service. Although airline costs have increased, price of tickets havent increased proportionally.
Agree with the poster, treat airlines like a CAB. If you get good service, you are lucky.
Agree with the poster, treat airlines like a CAB. If you get good service, you are lucky.
pmmo
10-26 06:01 PM
All fair arguments. I went through similar emotions, but I tend to agree with Alias. It is best to correct if there was any error.
In my case, all I got was the Welcome letter and then a temporary I-551 stamp. The officer at InfoPass told me that it was approved and he was going to order the plastic card ,and there is no sign of it yet. Of course, it is their mistake that I am not able to renew my EAD since my status on their system is permanent resident. I wanted to renew EAD when it was about to expire a few months ago, but there is no place in the form to write in a PR status (and, of course, that would have been strange as well). So, I expect them to make amends for their mistake. Ideally, they should pay for my $2,500 attorney fees as well, but I guess, that is too much to hope for! I honestly had completely stopped tracking the visa bulletin and this was an unwanted reminder of how sorry the state of legal immigration is.
I still don't know what had happened and that is what I am trying to find out. May be, mine was correctly approved!
In my case, all I got was the Welcome letter and then a temporary I-551 stamp. The officer at InfoPass told me that it was approved and he was going to order the plastic card ,and there is no sign of it yet. Of course, it is their mistake that I am not able to renew my EAD since my status on their system is permanent resident. I wanted to renew EAD when it was about to expire a few months ago, but there is no place in the form to write in a PR status (and, of course, that would have been strange as well). So, I expect them to make amends for their mistake. Ideally, they should pay for my $2,500 attorney fees as well, but I guess, that is too much to hope for! I honestly had completely stopped tracking the visa bulletin and this was an unwanted reminder of how sorry the state of legal immigration is.
I still don't know what had happened and that is what I am trying to find out. May be, mine was correctly approved!
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go_guy123
08-20 12:22 PM
I used David Cohen at Canada Immigration - Information on Immigration to Canada (http://www.canadavisa.com/)
They did a good job. My only complaint with they kept changing the paralegal that was handling my case like 3 times during the whole process. Otherwise no problems.
Canada rules are not complicated at all. You don't need any agent for doing paperwork.
Either you are eligible or not.
They did a good job. My only complaint with they kept changing the paralegal that was handling my case like 3 times during the whole process. Otherwise no problems.
Canada rules are not complicated at all. You don't need any agent for doing paperwork.
Either you are eligible or not.
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somegchuh
07-18 04:43 PM
Guys,
I have pretty much the same story and am in pretty much the same situation due to PBEC and now retrogression.
I don't think returning back as a knee jerk reaction is a good idea. If you have already been here 8-9 years obviously you have been stuck in a programming job for the last 10+ years. You can't take programming experience back to home country and ask for management position. You will get no programming position because you are over qualified and no management position because you don't have the experience.
However horrible it sounds, its best to stick it out. I am personally ready to stick it out for at least 1.5 years. After that I will be forced to make a decision otherwise I will lose my canadian PR also.
Let's talk about three things:
1. Make efforts to get GC.
2. Plan for your future: Enhance your education, apply for PR in another developed country.
3. Make your present better: Enjoy everyday, don't worry about GC.
I was thinking about PMI, CISA and MBA right from the time I landed in US in 1999. Then I realized that I need to get an GC to make use of those. Then I started to look for a stable company where I can start my GC process. It took three years toll till then. I joined a good ameican company as a perm employee. They did not file my GC as they promised and I had to quit to join another company for the heck of my GC and for my (my wife with CPA / CA is on H4 for 5th year now) dream career. I had to go many step back in technology with the new company but I sucessfully managed to file my GC.
Then what? When I finished studying my PMI, all the retrogression story started. Then I had to ask questions my self.
1. With PMI certification in 2004, if I am doing a Sr. Software engineer, will it not raise questions down the line in my career interviews. May be yes or no, but I do not have answers.
2. With PMI Cert in 2004, if I can get my GC in 2005, I am pretty sure I could manage any questions throws at me, but not in 2008 or 2010. So I dropped the idea on PMI / CISA/ GMAT until I have 50% certanity of when I will be getting my GC in hand.
3. The worst will be starting an MBA with good univeristy and competing it in next two years with zero hope of getting GC then. What would you do if you are not even closer to file your 485 when you have MBA degree in hand. You will have career in your home country with this MBA for sure, but who will pay your debts here. It is like shooting yourself on your foot with golden gun. Atleast you will be satsifed it is golden gun, but the end result is hurting yourselves.
4. So what is the option? Never give up. There are always difficult times for everyone. What we are facing is nothing. There are people who are graduating at the age of 70 in US. I have seen a lady at the age of 70 graduating with MAB from Harvard. I thought she did it for fun, but in an interview she said she wants to pursue her career in marketing field. This is an eye opener for me. So prepare yourself with TOEFL and GMAT. These scores are valid for 5 years. Join from volunteer organizations and develop your leadership skills. Reco letters from these orgs will have great impact when you apply for MBA infuture. Most of all it is right way to live a peaceful life atleast if you do not go the MBA route, you will develop the skills needed for your life.
I have pretty much the same story and am in pretty much the same situation due to PBEC and now retrogression.
I don't think returning back as a knee jerk reaction is a good idea. If you have already been here 8-9 years obviously you have been stuck in a programming job for the last 10+ years. You can't take programming experience back to home country and ask for management position. You will get no programming position because you are over qualified and no management position because you don't have the experience.
However horrible it sounds, its best to stick it out. I am personally ready to stick it out for at least 1.5 years. After that I will be forced to make a decision otherwise I will lose my canadian PR also.
Let's talk about three things:
1. Make efforts to get GC.
2. Plan for your future: Enhance your education, apply for PR in another developed country.
3. Make your present better: Enjoy everyday, don't worry about GC.
I was thinking about PMI, CISA and MBA right from the time I landed in US in 1999. Then I realized that I need to get an GC to make use of those. Then I started to look for a stable company where I can start my GC process. It took three years toll till then. I joined a good ameican company as a perm employee. They did not file my GC as they promised and I had to quit to join another company for the heck of my GC and for my (my wife with CPA / CA is on H4 for 5th year now) dream career. I had to go many step back in technology with the new company but I sucessfully managed to file my GC.
Then what? When I finished studying my PMI, all the retrogression story started. Then I had to ask questions my self.
1. With PMI certification in 2004, if I am doing a Sr. Software engineer, will it not raise questions down the line in my career interviews. May be yes or no, but I do not have answers.
2. With PMI Cert in 2004, if I can get my GC in 2005, I am pretty sure I could manage any questions throws at me, but not in 2008 or 2010. So I dropped the idea on PMI / CISA/ GMAT until I have 50% certanity of when I will be getting my GC in hand.
3. The worst will be starting an MBA with good univeristy and competing it in next two years with zero hope of getting GC then. What would you do if you are not even closer to file your 485 when you have MBA degree in hand. You will have career in your home country with this MBA for sure, but who will pay your debts here. It is like shooting yourself on your foot with golden gun. Atleast you will be satsifed it is golden gun, but the end result is hurting yourselves.
4. So what is the option? Never give up. There are always difficult times for everyone. What we are facing is nothing. There are people who are graduating at the age of 70 in US. I have seen a lady at the age of 70 graduating with MAB from Harvard. I thought she did it for fun, but in an interview she said she wants to pursue her career in marketing field. This is an eye opener for me. So prepare yourself with TOEFL and GMAT. These scores are valid for 5 years. Join from volunteer organizations and develop your leadership skills. Reco letters from these orgs will have great impact when you apply for MBA infuture. Most of all it is right way to live a peaceful life atleast if you do not go the MBA route, you will develop the skills needed for your life.
wandmaker
03-21 03:23 PM
There you go. Here is the link for the opinion letter
www.murthaimmigration.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/sheela_murthy.pdf (http://www.murthaimmigration.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/sheela_murthy.pdf)
(http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/www.murthaimmigration.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/sheela_murthy.pdf)
Read it, Understand it and then please let me know if you still think that OP was in "unauthorized work", as this is what you have written before
Good work! Now, it is gapala's turn to read and understand and come back with the opinion or disagreement.
www.murthaimmigration.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/sheela_murthy.pdf (http://www.murthaimmigration.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/sheela_murthy.pdf)
(http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/www.murthaimmigration.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/sheela_murthy.pdf)
Read it, Understand it and then please let me know if you still think that OP was in "unauthorized work", as this is what you have written before
Good work! Now, it is gapala's turn to read and understand and come back with the opinion or disagreement.
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MDix
02-14 10:20 AM
Please PM me the Email you sent to CISOmbudsman.
Don't let others to HIJACK this thread they have developed habit.
We gotta follow this to the end.
Thank's
MDix
i had sent an email to c.. requesting allowing to file for AOS..as a mode of temporary relief...they replied..saying thanks for the input...
I think we must pursue this for now... since any meaning reforms are atleast couples of months away.. this relief can save lots of EB ppl during uncertain times.
inputs welcome..
Don't let others to HIJACK this thread they have developed habit.
We gotta follow this to the end.
Thank's
MDix
i had sent an email to c.. requesting allowing to file for AOS..as a mode of temporary relief...they replied..saying thanks for the input...
I think we must pursue this for now... since any meaning reforms are atleast couples of months away.. this relief can save lots of EB ppl during uncertain times.
inputs welcome..
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06-23 08:01 PM
Please keep calling!
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mallu
03-24 11:05 AM
It's really meaningless for you to keep talking about "too many here from EU". ......
No . I don't think it is meaningless. It is just a reminder to those who boarded here earlier ( not too in the distant past , say before 200 years ) and now concerned about controlling diversity .
.....
When this country starts the immigration law, does the law say only people from Asia is limited to 7% and not for people from EU ?
......
It doesn't matter if 7% is applied now to some of EU. Already many are significantly represented.
I perfectly understand. Those who got earlier ganged togoether and devised 'beatiful' laws that fits 'them', telling others 'Hey, the gates closed, right behind us' .
No . I don't think it is meaningless. It is just a reminder to those who boarded here earlier ( not too in the distant past , say before 200 years ) and now concerned about controlling diversity .
.....
When this country starts the immigration law, does the law say only people from Asia is limited to 7% and not for people from EU ?
......
It doesn't matter if 7% is applied now to some of EU. Already many are significantly represented.
I perfectly understand. Those who got earlier ganged togoether and devised 'beatiful' laws that fits 'them', telling others 'Hey, the gates closed, right behind us' .
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immigrationmatters30
02-14 07:49 PM
Nice Post hydboy!! Quick question though, Would you have put the same argument if you have not filed your EAD during july 2007? Guess not..Let us stop this..now.I agree with what you are saying,by the way.
I hear some people saying childish things like hijacking this thread if anybody says anything different from what they say. What do you prefer, should I open another thread with title "oppose prefiling AOS", nobody wins neither will I or you when somebody does that. Please tolerate others views then they will tolerate yours.
Without strengthening AC21 if you allow everyone to file AOS then anti eb folks like Grassley, Sanders, Sessions, Durbin will move from targeting H1b to targeting EAD. It takes 6 months to get Perm approval, with pre filing AOS everyone can get EAD in 6 months, anti eb folks and USCIS know that people will be jumping to EAD to escape H1 crackdown, what do you think they will do, they will add amendments and Bills to put restrictions on hiring EAD just like they put restrictions on hiring H1b. We cannot make EAD into another H1b like hell.
Prefiling should be done to give relief to people who missed July fiasco only after
1. Remove\dilute same similar job requirement
2. Make sure EAD is extended without any rfe. USCIS will invent thousand things to issue rfe, EAD should be in a different league to h1 and it should not turn into another h1 where you are slapped with rfe left right and center. Example Pay stub rfe, ability to pay rfe, customer Purchase order RFE etc etc etc, Green card holders don�t have any problem working in these same jobs so why should EAD people face this nonsense (otherwise it is just like h1). Before people complain this will become like a green card, lets me answer in advance, if a person from ROW can get his green card within 12 months of coming to US, why cannot people from India\china who have worked in US for the last 5 to 10 years get the above mentioned relief on EAD. EAD should be superior to h1.the only restriction should be you should work in the same field, i.e. if your labor certification is for Software engineer, programmer analyst etc , then you work in a software related job and cannot become a greeter in walmart :-)
Without strengthening EAD\AC21 with the above mentioned items you are turning EAD into just another h1.If we push for prefiling AOS without strengthening Ac21 it is a big disadvantage and slap on the face for all the people with older priority date. Because of July fiasco when everybody got current and filed for AOS, USCIS issued GC to people from 2006 leaving behind people from 2003, 04 and 05. USCIS should have gradually moved the dates from 2003 to 04 to 05 that way people with older PD would have got it first. With prefiling AOS it will become a lottery like in August 2008 where 2006 PD got GC over 03,04 and 05 in eb2. Safeguards have to be put in place for order of priority date otherwise USCIS will indulge in this lottery mode and excuse there behavior by claiming they did this to save visa wastage.
I hear some people saying childish things like hijacking this thread if anybody says anything different from what they say. What do you prefer, should I open another thread with title "oppose prefiling AOS", nobody wins neither will I or you when somebody does that. Please tolerate others views then they will tolerate yours.
Without strengthening AC21 if you allow everyone to file AOS then anti eb folks like Grassley, Sanders, Sessions, Durbin will move from targeting H1b to targeting EAD. It takes 6 months to get Perm approval, with pre filing AOS everyone can get EAD in 6 months, anti eb folks and USCIS know that people will be jumping to EAD to escape H1 crackdown, what do you think they will do, they will add amendments and Bills to put restrictions on hiring EAD just like they put restrictions on hiring H1b. We cannot make EAD into another H1b like hell.
Prefiling should be done to give relief to people who missed July fiasco only after
1. Remove\dilute same similar job requirement
2. Make sure EAD is extended without any rfe. USCIS will invent thousand things to issue rfe, EAD should be in a different league to h1 and it should not turn into another h1 where you are slapped with rfe left right and center. Example Pay stub rfe, ability to pay rfe, customer Purchase order RFE etc etc etc, Green card holders don�t have any problem working in these same jobs so why should EAD people face this nonsense (otherwise it is just like h1). Before people complain this will become like a green card, lets me answer in advance, if a person from ROW can get his green card within 12 months of coming to US, why cannot people from India\china who have worked in US for the last 5 to 10 years get the above mentioned relief on EAD. EAD should be superior to h1.the only restriction should be you should work in the same field, i.e. if your labor certification is for Software engineer, programmer analyst etc , then you work in a software related job and cannot become a greeter in walmart :-)
Without strengthening EAD\AC21 with the above mentioned items you are turning EAD into just another h1.If we push for prefiling AOS without strengthening Ac21 it is a big disadvantage and slap on the face for all the people with older priority date. Because of July fiasco when everybody got current and filed for AOS, USCIS issued GC to people from 2006 leaving behind people from 2003, 04 and 05. USCIS should have gradually moved the dates from 2003 to 04 to 05 that way people with older PD would have got it first. With prefiling AOS it will become a lottery like in August 2008 where 2006 PD got GC over 03,04 and 05 in eb2. Safeguards have to be put in place for order of priority date otherwise USCIS will indulge in this lottery mode and excuse there behavior by claiming they did this to save visa wastage.
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waitnwatch
06-09 12:48 PM
Politics makes strange bedfellows and while anti-immigrants band together they donot have any additional support from other groups (I maybe wrong and IEEE and Programmers guild may be joining them). On the other hand we do have support from industry even though they primarily support H1B increase. Suffice it to say that we play a very important part because we are the grassroots part of the whole industry lobbying machine where the industry lobbyist can show that the affected parties are in support of what they are saying.
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logiclife
12-11 02:32 PM
I have said what I have felt. I am not going to be politically correct, never have been. This is not a forum for pracitising genteel speeches, pampering and politically correct messages.
If you RSVP that "I will come" and the host prepares entire day for meeting, makes her daughter skip the extra carricular activities, ends up using better part of weekend for an event she is thinking will be attended by you, but you dont show up even and dont even bother to call they you are cancelling, then you ought to be ashamed of yourself. If you do something like that in your workplace, then you will get fired. If you signup for a volunteer training/conference on behalf of your company, get company to book your travel, make them spend time/money and then on day of travel, you dont even show up at the airport and attend conference/training that you volunteered to attend, then you will get fired. You wont get fired from Immigration Voice and there are no personal consequence to your bad, lousy manners therefore its afforable to do so, and so you can do it.
If you think EAD is the end of the road and you are free now with AC21 options BUT on the contrary you feel more and more need to visit forums here, on Khanna portal, on Murthy's forums/chats then probably you are wrong, you are not free. You are still bound by strings that restrain your mobility and freedom.
LURKERS : And finally, if the only reason (and this is the most common reason) for not volunteering or participating in activities or contributions is that you are afraid of USCIS or some agency retaliating against your pending 485, and the problem is cowardice. The most common reason why we have 3 times more "visitors" then logged in members is that "visitors" are afraid of the government in the most democratic and free country in the world. I need you to login so that I can get email and information about you so that I can seek your help. And I dont need your help for my own personal gain. I am not going to sell you used cars to send you spams and advertisements about something I am selling. I am one of you. Struggling and fighting against an unfair system. I need your email - not to sell you fortune cookies - but to ask for funds, ask you to attend local events, ask you to meet lawmakers. None of these things bring a single penny to my bank account. None of these things make my PD current. This is for you, if you think you are up for it. But if you are a coward then no one can help you. And if you are offended by being called a "coward" by me, then you are too coward to even recognize that you are a coward.
If you RSVP that "I will come" and the host prepares entire day for meeting, makes her daughter skip the extra carricular activities, ends up using better part of weekend for an event she is thinking will be attended by you, but you dont show up even and dont even bother to call they you are cancelling, then you ought to be ashamed of yourself. If you do something like that in your workplace, then you will get fired. If you signup for a volunteer training/conference on behalf of your company, get company to book your travel, make them spend time/money and then on day of travel, you dont even show up at the airport and attend conference/training that you volunteered to attend, then you will get fired. You wont get fired from Immigration Voice and there are no personal consequence to your bad, lousy manners therefore its afforable to do so, and so you can do it.
If you think EAD is the end of the road and you are free now with AC21 options BUT on the contrary you feel more and more need to visit forums here, on Khanna portal, on Murthy's forums/chats then probably you are wrong, you are not free. You are still bound by strings that restrain your mobility and freedom.
LURKERS : And finally, if the only reason (and this is the most common reason) for not volunteering or participating in activities or contributions is that you are afraid of USCIS or some agency retaliating against your pending 485, and the problem is cowardice. The most common reason why we have 3 times more "visitors" then logged in members is that "visitors" are afraid of the government in the most democratic and free country in the world. I need you to login so that I can get email and information about you so that I can seek your help. And I dont need your help for my own personal gain. I am not going to sell you used cars to send you spams and advertisements about something I am selling. I am one of you. Struggling and fighting against an unfair system. I need your email - not to sell you fortune cookies - but to ask for funds, ask you to attend local events, ask you to meet lawmakers. None of these things bring a single penny to my bank account. None of these things make my PD current. This is for you, if you think you are up for it. But if you are a coward then no one can help you. And if you are offended by being called a "coward" by me, then you are too coward to even recognize that you are a coward.
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05-17 11:50 AM
Thanks to Pappu and IV for providing such simple way to contact our Lawmakers.. It actually took less than a minute to contact my lawmaker using your interface. Great job and thanks for all your hard work to bring our issues to the front!
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h1b_alex
01-26 04:00 AM
I got hired by a consulting company A. I had to pay my H1B Fees (at that time i didn't know it was illegal for a company to do that)they were delaying my joining as they were indefinite for finding a job for me. I came to charolette in november start and was asked by the employer not to join them as they didnt have any projects for me. It has been 3 months and iam sitting idle and running out of resources to sustain myself. No paystubs are generated and i might be given an offer by a regular company B for permanent here . H1B txfr requires last paystubs
which i donot have, but when company B want to hire me what can i do. Talking about my employment to employer A he threatens to revoke my H1B, is there a way out.
Also in case he wants to revoke my status on H1B could i also complaing to DOL for non payment of pays and that he made me pay H1B fees.
Please Advice.
which i donot have, but when company B want to hire me what can i do. Talking about my employment to employer A he threatens to revoke my H1B, is there a way out.
Also in case he wants to revoke my status on H1B could i also complaing to DOL for non payment of pays and that he made me pay H1B fees.
Please Advice.
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Administrator2
06-26 11:38 AM
Dear Friends,
A lot of us are busy getting our questions answered for filing our I-485. It is a sincere request to all members to please call ALL 100 Senators expressing your opposition to Menendez amendment SA#1317. This is an extremely important Action Item and it is time sensitive matter. Every voice and every call counts. We have all asked/answered many questions about the recent I-485 filing wave and we may have more unanswered questions that we would like to be answered right now. However, please understand that Senate proceedings, cloture vote and Menendez Amendment will govern the future shape of the entire green card numbers and the entire process. No doubt filing I-485 accurately is important for all of us. But please give due consideration to this very important events and the bill which will affects our and our families’ lives.
Please call to oppose Menendez amendment.
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=5663
Thank You!!
A lot of us are busy getting our questions answered for filing our I-485. It is a sincere request to all members to please call ALL 100 Senators expressing your opposition to Menendez amendment SA#1317. This is an extremely important Action Item and it is time sensitive matter. Every voice and every call counts. We have all asked/answered many questions about the recent I-485 filing wave and we may have more unanswered questions that we would like to be answered right now. However, please understand that Senate proceedings, cloture vote and Menendez Amendment will govern the future shape of the entire green card numbers and the entire process. No doubt filing I-485 accurately is important for all of us. But please give due consideration to this very important events and the bill which will affects our and our families’ lives.
Please call to oppose Menendez amendment.
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=5663
Thank You!!
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ramus
06-13 08:47 PM
I think you can..
I have I-140 with substitution pending since March of this year. Can I file for 485 now or do I need to wait for I-140 approval? Thanks.
I have I-140 with substitution pending since March of this year. Can I file for 485 now or do I need to wait for I-140 approval? Thanks.
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baboo1976
07-21 03:35 PM
Risker,
I agree with you 100%
If we have filed our cases earlier - We have every right according to me to get our cases approved before others.. If they leave status current till everyone labors are approved (According to backlog center Sep 30 07) - That would resolve the issue/confusion.
If a clause exisits for us mentioning our 140/485 would be accepted next month would resolve the issue - any thoughts!!!
Regards
Baboo..
P.S: Others whose cases are current - I ' am happy for you too..
I agree with you 100%
If we have filed our cases earlier - We have every right according to me to get our cases approved before others.. If they leave status current till everyone labors are approved (According to backlog center Sep 30 07) - That would resolve the issue/confusion.
If a clause exisits for us mentioning our 140/485 would be accepted next month would resolve the issue - any thoughts!!!
Regards
Baboo..
P.S: Others whose cases are current - I ' am happy for you too..
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walking_dude
10-18 02:49 PM
Thanks for actively participating and helping us in this effort. I'm sure we'll make this meet a success with our combined team effort.
More volunteers are welcome to join us in helping the meeting preparations. We also greatly appreciate any other help you can provide.
Members who have signed up for the meet re-confirm (basically RSVP), if you haven't already done so (after cagedcactus requested it). It will help CC in arranging snacks and tea . You can PM him or post here.
Need transportation from Lansing to Troy? Send PM (private message) to Bestin, by clicking on his id (on the messages posted by him) in this thread/forum. He has volunteered to accomodate 4 participants on first-come-first-serve basis. If you aren't based in Lansing, but still located somewhere on the way ( b/n Lansing to Troy), he can pick you up and drop you off ( if the detour is reasonable like a few miles). Don't let the lethargy to driving long distance dampen your enthusiam to particpate in an event that will affect your future.
Guys who cannot participate on 10/20 due to any reasons, but interested in future activities - PM or E-mail me. I will add you to the list of invitees for the future activities.
Thanks
Responded back..BTB i dont have any appointments tomorrow.So i ll be at home.Pls dont hesitate to ask for any help.I can try my best
More volunteers are welcome to join us in helping the meeting preparations. We also greatly appreciate any other help you can provide.
Members who have signed up for the meet re-confirm (basically RSVP), if you haven't already done so (after cagedcactus requested it). It will help CC in arranging snacks and tea . You can PM him or post here.
Need transportation from Lansing to Troy? Send PM (private message) to Bestin, by clicking on his id (on the messages posted by him) in this thread/forum. He has volunteered to accomodate 4 participants on first-come-first-serve basis. If you aren't based in Lansing, but still located somewhere on the way ( b/n Lansing to Troy), he can pick you up and drop you off ( if the detour is reasonable like a few miles). Don't let the lethargy to driving long distance dampen your enthusiam to particpate in an event that will affect your future.
Guys who cannot participate on 10/20 due to any reasons, but interested in future activities - PM or E-mail me. I will add you to the list of invitees for the future activities.
Thanks
Responded back..BTB i dont have any appointments tomorrow.So i ll be at home.Pls dont hesitate to ask for any help.I can try my best
walking_dude
10-19 01:37 PM
We have E-mailed 800+ IV members who have indicated they're from Michigan, Called some 30+.
We have got good response. We'll know the exact numbers when we meet. Confirmed members may not show up, others may change their mind at the last moment and just drop by. It's hard to predict right now.
A lot of members are interested in "Knowing" what we are doing. Best way to know is "Participate". By attending the meeting you're getting added to the "MI chapter circle of trust" - that is members we feel safe in passing on sensitive and confidential info we get from IV core. We also feel it safe to pass on information about activities covered by IV Non-disclosure policy such as Lawmaker meetings and responses we get, with members we have met personally, talked and know their background. Posting such sensitive info here or on the google groups is not possible as it will be picked up by anti-immigrants trolling IV for such info.
Bottomline : Anybody missing the meeting is missing the opportunity to have access to IV "insider information" which will never be made public to people outside the "trusted circle".
Worst case, even if around 20 guys show up, it's a great start as I've heard that some chapters started of with 5-10 people and now have 100+ members. Don't worry, we will get there.
This is Ashish from Canton, MI. Will surely meet you guyz tomorrow. So, finally how many people, WD?
We have got good response. We'll know the exact numbers when we meet. Confirmed members may not show up, others may change their mind at the last moment and just drop by. It's hard to predict right now.
A lot of members are interested in "Knowing" what we are doing. Best way to know is "Participate". By attending the meeting you're getting added to the "MI chapter circle of trust" - that is members we feel safe in passing on sensitive and confidential info we get from IV core. We also feel it safe to pass on information about activities covered by IV Non-disclosure policy such as Lawmaker meetings and responses we get, with members we have met personally, talked and know their background. Posting such sensitive info here or on the google groups is not possible as it will be picked up by anti-immigrants trolling IV for such info.
Bottomline : Anybody missing the meeting is missing the opportunity to have access to IV "insider information" which will never be made public to people outside the "trusted circle".
Worst case, even if around 20 guys show up, it's a great start as I've heard that some chapters started of with 5-10 people and now have 100+ members. Don't worry, we will get there.
This is Ashish from Canton, MI. Will surely meet you guyz tomorrow. So, finally how many people, WD?
chmur
11-17 02:33 AM
I understand the need to gain grassroots strength, But at the same time I expect that IV core members to do better than arbitrary curt responses directing everyone to state chapter on this forum.
I am sure IV core do better, like for example, well crafted sticky memo explaining the need for state chapters/grassroots strength and dangers of remaining only an internet based group of anonymous members and why agenda of the IV will not be discussed or revealed in this forum. There was one good post explaining this.
Such a professional explanation is required to gain the respect of the newcomer on this forum and his views and at the same time promoting IV objectives.
IV and rest of us need each other to get this huge problem fixed.
I am sure IV core do better, like for example, well crafted sticky memo explaining the need for state chapters/grassroots strength and dangers of remaining only an internet based group of anonymous members and why agenda of the IV will not be discussed or revealed in this forum. There was one good post explaining this.
Such a professional explanation is required to gain the respect of the newcomer on this forum and his views and at the same time promoting IV objectives.
IV and rest of us need each other to get this huge problem fixed.
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